The Allplane Podcast #79 - a critical assessment of sustainable aviation technologies, with Michael Barnard
Michael Barnard is one of the most outspoken experts in the field of renewable energy and decarbonization technologies and, as it couldn’t be otherwise, has also had a close look at the different projects that are claiming to take aviation towards the path of sustainability.
In this long and gripping conversation, Michael doesn’t mince words when talking about some of the trends and themes that are sweeping through the world of aviation, from eVTOLs to hydrogen.
Michael has also taken the bold step of publishing his forecasts about the evolution of air traffic demand all the way up to the year 2100, a prediction which diverges considerably from those made public by official industry bodies and other analysts and that he aims to revise regularly as new data comes available.
He also shares some insights about what he sees are promising areas of growth in sustainable aviation. Not for nothing he is an advisor to several startups that are developing solutions in the field of electric aviation.
Whether you agree or not with Michael’s views on the industry, what I am sure is that today’s episode won’t leave you indifferent, it may even make some uncomfortable, but will certainly provide food for thought to anyone interested in the different projects, technologies and companies that are currently trying to shape the future of aviation for decades to come.
Tune in for a rather unconventional and, straightforward chat about sustainable aviation!
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Things we talk about in this episode:
Michael’s professional background & writings
Michael’s forecasts for the evolution of the aviation sector up to the year 2100
Why there is too much hype in the sustainable aviation space and much of it is not backed by facts or numbers
Why eVTOLs are a terrible idea
Why Michael is bullish on electric regional aviation instead
The prospects for sustainable aviation fuel
Why hydrogen is an inefficient way to decarbonize aviation
How Michael sees the decarbonization of aviation unfolding and which forces will drive and modulate it
Resources:
Michael’s writings on CleanTechnica
The podcast episode with Electron’s founder Josef Mouris
Podcast episode with Tom Vroemen, of Electric Leap, which we reference as well
Michael Liebreich and his (much recommended) Cleaning Up podcast
Books we refer to during the conversation:
“Thinking fast and slow”, by Daniel Kahneman,
“The Gray Rhino”, by Michele Wucker
“The Black Swan”, by Nassim Nicholas Taleb
Heart Aerospace & its founder, Anders Forslund
I actually did a podcast with Pipistrel’s founder as well!
The V-22 Osprey military tiltrotor
The new AW609 tiltrotor I allude to
The podcast I did with aircraft certification expert Vance Hilderman, of AFuzion
Podcast Music: Five Armies by Kevin MacLeod
Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3762-five-armies
License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/
Interview Transcript:
(please note that, although we strive to make it as close as possible to the original recording, the transcript may not be 100% accurate)